What’s your digits?

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• Great post in general.

  Though, about digits, I would add something:

  Body thickness
  Body Fat

  That’s what makes your feet look like you have too much water in your ankles and hands too small compared to the arm. (in general)

  Thickness 70 and hand 10 = fail

  Then, there is what realistic is or what looks good is and what people expect from their SL…

  Now about Catero’s tastes… I’ve learned more from men criticizing my shapes than from women.

• Great post in general but if you want to be complete, I would add to the digits:

  – body thickness
  – body fat

  About the hands and the feet: if you have a high body thickness/fat, small digits feets and hands will look weird though you have added volume and sexyness to your body. (too much water syndrome)

• I put mine here:
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/slredhott/5614564914/in/photostream

• Interesting – I love that the lady in that graphic is wearing heels!

  I’m actually very curious about facial proportions too. So many AVs in SL seem like their eyes are just too big, these giant insectile things in a fine featured face.

  I’d love a guide for the placement and proportion for facial features!

• I did mine on flickr too. 🙂

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/aliciachenaux/5614832068

• GREAT! Thanks for sharing. Now I’m going to put on Berry; change my display name and go cavort at Bukkakke Bliss.

• Masha if I find one somewhere I’ll post it.

  Mr. Jefferson, I’m a frequent visitor of Bukkake Bliss, so you will prolly get recognized. 😛

• I found this post to be very interesting, so I plurked it, and then decided to do it. Thank you for this post, it made me realize that my arms were a little short.

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/ashe_anthony/5615010696/

  I’m really liking the slight and extreme differences in numbers!

• Here’s mine! It really is interesting to see how slightly different numbers make us all look different!

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/caelan-hancroft/5615249324

• http://www.flickr.com/photos/trinitybelle/5614683507/

  So here is mine! I found this experiment to be very interesting. I think I might play some with my leg length after seeing this.

• I feel the same about my digits often. There is an interesting blog post from Alaska Metropolitan I used once to find a “healthy” balance.

  You find it here: http://alaskametro.blogspot.com/2006/10/proportion-and-second-life-models.html

• http://www.flickr.com/photos/ktann_81/5614982831/in/photostream

  well I’m most definitely not average… but I like my shape 🙂

• http://www.flickr.com/photos/23207148@N06/5615792206/in/photostream

• oh Chiara that post is an excellent find! Thanks for sharing it.

• Thought I would give this a go too!

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/madisonmorlim/5616271768/

• I put mine here 😀 http://www.flickr.com/photos/36117244@N05/5616319374/in/photostream

• This is such a fun post! I love seeing everyone’s digits. Here are mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bettydoyle/5615970821

• One of several shapes.. I’m always changing/editing them >.<
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/emptyinkpen/5616556714

• So interesting to read all these and compare my own…so glad you posted this Berry 🙂

  Here’s mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dailynholfe/5616060659/

• I did it too!
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/autumnhykova/5616686790

• This was fun! Here is mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hybiemynx/5616291943/in/photostream

• I love seeing everybodies digits (and avs in the semi buff)

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/11226441@N02/5616299679/

• Ok, I bit. Here’s mine:
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/sarahthered/5616967480/in/photostream

• http://www.flickr.com/photos/nimil/5617012036/

• According to SL I’m 6’0 but I bought the height measurement you posted and it says I’m 5’4. I like that number better 😀

• Here’s mine!

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/dame-edith/5617032822/in/photostream

• I love this idea!! Here’s mine:
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/bottlebird/5616486075/in/photostream

• Here’s mine too! WOW the sliders have amazing range!
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/mousemimistrobell/5617090324/in/photostream

• *throws hat into pile*

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/48397831@N07/5616556791/

• I remade my photo with more info and visible body shape (already asked to get my old comment deleted)

  😀 so here is my new one lol!

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/aeryntuqiri/5616634725/in/photostream

• *One more* =)

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/53642229@N04/5617209264/in/photostream/

• Thanks so much for sharing everyone! I am having some trouble keeping up. lol but you guys can add them to the flickr group here too: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1698292@N22

• Here’s mine 🙂
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/weezeywarwillow/5616911477/in/pool-digits

• stuck mine in your flickr group.

  will probably add my alts as well, it’s interesting to see how everyone is different.

• I’ve added mine to the flickr pool!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/47202086@N03/5617079901/in/pool-digits/#/photos/47202086@N03/5617079901/in/pool-1698292@N22/

• Here’s mine! I absolutely love this idea!

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/scarletbowdit/5617735456/in/photostream

• http://www.flickr.com/photos/viciousstudios/5617174253/sizes/l/in/set-72157626492950128/ mine is here!

• I decided to play!
  http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5145/5617704314_633bc5c180_b.jpg

  I do think that actual proportions are more important than the slider numbers, tho. The SL appearance editor is pretty inconsistent and abstract. An arm legnth of 60 might look perfect for one avatar, but give another t-rex arm syndrome, for instance.

  Also, it helps to know and understand good human figure proportions, like the proportion guides Strawberry linked to. A good understanding of proportion can help anyone make better looking avatar shapes.

  I should also note that the height detector used to measure the avatars in this article is incorrect. It spits out raw Agent Height, which is not actually your avatar height. You can get close to your actual avatar height by adding 6 inches (15cm) to the height given. The most accurate way to measure an avatar’s height is to hop on a pose stand and measure from the bottom of your feet to the top of your skull. (Remember to remove hair and shoes!)

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• Hey chica, I posted mine as well. Good idea!
  http://www.themafelix.com/2011/04/dimensions/

• Great challenge! Here’s mine – http://www.flickr.com/photos/43566466@N08/5618064456/in/photostream

  This tutorial helped me a lot when I was a noob:

  http://wehatewhatyourewearing.blogspot.com/2009/01/shaping-up-shapes-tutorial-part-1.html
  http://wehatewhatyourewearing.blogspot.com/2009/03/shaping-up-shapes-tutorial-part-2.html

• This new digits trend is a real easy way for people to copy your own personal shape, just wanted to point that out…to anyone who’s participating don’t feel bad if you have another similar you walking around in sl.

• Thing is, by asking people for their shape information, if they are revealing someone elses work, they’re enabling people to take someone elses work FREE. Not really nice to the shape creators who work hard to make unique shapes for folks.

• Hi everyone,

  I came here to post what Sara said already. I make shapes in SL, and I work really hard on my shapes. They are all mod, and I fully accept the reality that some people will “steal” the numbers for their own less-than-honest uses, but please… if you didn’t make your shape, don’t share the info here. You’re giving someone else’s hard work away for free, and that’s really just not fair to those of us who work hard to help you look great.

  If you made your shape, and want to share it, go for it… and btw, my personal shape has a butt size 40. 🙂

  ~Lucie

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• Lourdes and I posted ours

  Lourdes – http://www.flickr.com/photos/lourdesdenimore/5617790832/

  Salvatore – http://www.flickr.com/photos/salvatoreotoro/5617426053/

• Such a neat idea and I love seeing how different every one is! Here is mine http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzysparrow/5617825655/in/photostream

• Interesting post! I’ve been fiddling with my shape for a while now and I think I’ve finally got it where I want it. But, after seeing everyone’s digits, I think my arms are too short. Aaargh!

  Here is the link to my Flickr photo and digits: http://www.flickr.com/photos/50784491@N03/5618453410/

• Sharing a few numbers is not giving away the whole shape so the whole thing can not be fully copied. The most unique part of a shape should be the face and that is not being posted.
  With the number of people in SL and the fact that shapes are limited by numbers there most likely are already people out there walking around with very similar shapes with out ever having seen the actual numbers. I also bet shapes out there for sell are also very similar to other shapes already out there and they weren’t even copied. (Also just so you know i too make and sell shapes in SL.)

• http://images.plurk.com/47155e91f53f1d8aef36de981757ea5e.jpg

  BOOYAH.

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• I definitely think we have an unrealistic grasp on feet. Foot size 0 looks kinda weird, and I find LOTS of shoes look really small on me, but it’s just what we’re used to. I haven’t tried my feet bigger, though, so it might look weird!

• @Ava
  Most SL avatars have arms that are far too short for their bodies, even the starter avatars that LL provides have arms that are a full half a foot too short. Basically, your arms, outstretched and measured from fingertip to fingertip, should be as long as you are tall. Give or take 2-3 inches at most.

  @Chantelle
  Very true, too. Ironically, the larger your avatar the more “weird” size 0 feet look, and most avatars are about 7′ or taller. Basically, your feet should be as long as your forearm when measured from elbow to wrist. Of course your legs should only make up 1/2 your overall height (give or take a couple inches) but most SL avatars have legs that make up 2/3 their height, skewing that measurement.

• Tanaquil, thank you! Sorry I’m responding so late to your comment, it was stuck in my spam. I have tried to go through all my spam and bring up any other comments missed, sorry about that for those whose comments are not showing up right away! Not sure why that’s happening but I’m looking into it.

  Penny thank you so much for the informative advice. I never thought to measure it like that. I did see something on marketplace that is like a scaled height bar that you use to calculate your actual height which I think is what you are talking about but I might be mistaken here: https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Scaled-Height-Bar-Round/2094519

  Alex, Sara and Lucie, I sincerely apologize to you three as I can see this little post of mine may have upset you guys. I had no intention of enabling people to copy other people’s shapes. I just thought sharing a few numbers wouldn’t really matter. In any case, I do apologize and I hope nothing bad results in this. And Lucie especially, I am very sorry and I do hope that no one that has bought your shapes has given out their numbers as I see that this has upset you. It was just something fun I thought I’d ask about, I didn’t think about the consequences.

  In any case, I am happy that people are having fun with this and I hope it all stays positive. Thanks everyone for participating, it has really helped me a lot in figuring stuff out for both my shapes.

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• This is such a fab idea! Even as a shape creator, proportions have, and probably always will bug me! It’s interesting to see each person’s ‘ideal’ – I think this will be a new trend in SL!

  Here’s mine for y’all to have a gander at:

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryonychenaux/5618717755/in/photostream

  -A. x

• This is such a fab idea! Even as a shape creator, proportions have, and probably always will bug me! It’s interesting to see each person’s ‘ideal’ – I think this will be a new trend in SL!

  Here’s mine for y’all to have a gander at:

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryonychenaux/5618717755/in/photostream

  -A. x

• This one was fun! It’s amazing to see what everyone’s avatar is like. I’m one of the few giants lol. I added this to the flickr group as well.

  http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5306/5618974971_6b11d6d59f_z.jpg

• Wow its really interesting to see how such small changes in numbers can give such variety in shapes.

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/crowleylectar/5619134251/

• Berry, would you be interested in some graphs / charts coming out of this? Seeing all this data pouring out, it might be interesting to start looking at what the average stats for contributors are, for male and female AVs. I’m not statistician, but I’d be willing to give it a go for fun…

• Vaki please do! I would LOVE to see that. Thank you for the offer.

• This was really interesting to see all my measurements together and compare them to all the other stunning girlies in SL… xxx

  Here’s me: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41862973@N03/5619932288/in/photostream

• I must admit I was skeptical at first but it’s such an interesting idea, I had to do it as well, so here’s mine:
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/anjuna/5619213051/

• Nice idea! 😀 Here’s my lil digits :]

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelisek/5620131814/

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• Posted my measures… well, some of them. 😉

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/raulcrimson/5620386868/

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• I loved this ”challenge”. I guess most of us wonder if we are ”normal” compared to other SL residents. 🙂

  Here’s my digits: http://www.flickr.com/photos/steffyghost/5620566606/in/photostream

• Berry: just to give you an idea of how wildly this has taken off, so far I have 100 measurements in my spreadsheet (88 women and 12 men) (I promise there are more men farther in, I just haven’t gotten to them yet) and I’m basically exactly halfway…but they’re coming in fast. I’ll try to finish typing them all up tonight, and then start making some charts!

• Brilliant idea! I do hope that sooner or later we’ll start seeing more proportionate avatars, especially in the fashion industry!

  and there, take a little piece of me:

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/paolatauber/5620187369/

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• Such a great idea!! Here are my numbers…

  http://viviyardley.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/can-i-get-your-digits/

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• I decided to do my current favorite shape in 3 different furry avatars. Just to show how skins and attachments can change the way the same shape looks!

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/sergalinapartyfrock/5621052165/

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• http://ladyanjilet.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/she-got-a-donk-whats-your-digits/

  I had so much fun with this <3
  Love seeing all the different shapes and sizes people are in SL. So diverse!

• Berry:

  I know there are still pictures being added to the Flickr group, but after just over 250, I had to stop for my own sanity. I’ve got all the digits submitted compiled in two spreadsheets (one for male AVs, one for female), and have come up with an “average” shape for each. Now that’s done, I’m starting to put together some interesting statistics.

  https://insertfunnyname.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/so-whats-average/

  Vaki

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• Here are mines. Better late than never 🙂

  http://dunessl.wordpress.com/2011/04/16/digits-of-the-day/

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• Berry…just wanted to say this was an AWESOME challenge! To see others dimensions and try them on for size was really interesting as well. I can say my hands look much better at 20 than 10. I see the difference in pictures. I might even go up more! Thank you!! =) Xo

• I looked up the digits on mine, I’ve made it from scratch and tweaks it at least once a week ^^

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/blairsilvercloud/5624701477/

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• I’m a little late to the party, but I finally got my digits done:

  http://gridbounce.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/so-you-want-my-digits/

• Adding mine to the fun http://www.flickr.com/photos/bettenoire/5629879837/in/photostream

• Here’s mine!

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/lissote/5630203275

  People in SL are so skinny!

• I so adore how positive and unique this sharing of digits has become. What a positive experience 🙂 Usually I am way too shy to put myself out there like this, but this little challenge (lol not really little anymore is it?!?) totally was worth taking that step. Many thanks for making it such a positive experience for so many!!

  ps … I totally swooned when you left a comment on my blog … thank you for making my day 🙂

• Here are my Digits! What a neat idea :D!

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/ricebubble/5634163197/in/photostream

• Hi Strawberry!

  As the zillion comments already attest, what a wonderful blog post!

  I think all the peeps who call for Proportions over raw slider numbers are right on… except that SL avatar shapes aren’t “real”!… and I’m not even talking about the Pamela Anderson breasts or the Arnold Schwarzenegger biceps or even the Size 0 “footbinding”, but we’re almost all way taller than fleshvatars in the physical world. So, given that we’re so used to seeing tall, very tall, or extremely tall avatars, it’s hard to say how to use “normal” proportionality… but I still think it’s the right approach.

  For those who encourage against sharing either on the grounds of individuality or copyright, I’d remind them that there are 100e78 possible female shapes in SL, or writing that out longhand, 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 possible female shapes.

  It is literally the case, that if you started making female SL shapes at the moment of the big bang, and made a new shape every second, then the universe isn’t nearly old enough yet to have made all the possible female SL shapes.

  True there are only 100e76 possible male shapes in SL, but that’s still quite a few. And yes a lot of the more extreme slider values probably aren’t used that often (except by Four Yip of course! 🙂 but I do think there are plenty of shapes to go around.

  —-

  I actually found Vaki’s “average avatar” post first, and it led me to your original post and to the flickr group:
  http://insertfunnyname.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/so-whats-average/

  As I commented on her post, I’ve dabbled in this area a bit also with an “Open Source Avatars” project:
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/os-avatars/files/

  http://vaneeesa.com/2010/07/30/open-source-vaneeesa/#comments

  Thank YOU, and VAKI so much for these inspiring ideas! I’m thinking of doing a performance in May featuring “Average Female” and “Average Male” avatar shapes. I think it’d be really interesting to take Vaki’s 12 of 78 female numbers and her 13 of 76 male numbers and let peeps apply those to their own shapes – so, for example, you and I would have the same Height, Torso Length, Arm Length… but you would have “your face” and I would have “my face”…

  I’ve done a number of performances where we “present the human/avatar directly to the viewer as an act of unmediated sculpture (it is common for a sculptor or painter to insert themselves as a “seeing eye” and “talented hand” in-between the human body and the viewing public, but I’ve tried not to present “painting” or “sculpture” but to present the body/avatar directly as a work of art/sculpture
  http://vaneeesa.com/portfolio/

  Thank you so much Strawberry! I’m actually “returning” to SL on Saturday, and you and Vaki have really inspired / catapulted me into starting on new work!

  xoxo

  — Vaneeesa Blaylock

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• I understand many love this. Specially shape sellers in sl.
  I think the whole idea with sharing this is stupid.

• It always does the heart good to see an idea derided behind the veil of anonymity. Yes, some shape makers may object to this type of disclosure, but some of the base numbers that have been shared are not a fool proof blueprint to copying the shape. Honestly, if someone wanted to duplicate a shape outside of a copybot, it is possible, but it takes a lot of work.

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• Aren’t we all anonymous on the internet…

  OpenMetaverse/ Copybot or not it’s very easy to recompile SL viewer sourcecode with your own custom code that can take almost anything, but that is of course a violation of TOS. Nothing is foolproof in SL, but some put a lot of work into a shape to get the right look. Anyway that’s my opinion.

• Before you go on thinking all this was stupid, that it is ripping shape designer’s work etc, please consider who you are talking to.

  Strawberry Singh is a blogger and a very talented photographer in SL. It is her job. Many would just keep their techniques for themselves and certainly wouldn’t share anything with the masses in case one might bring some concurrency. On the contrary, she is spoiling all of us with quality tutorials about blogs, photography, shadows, etc. She is sharing her shooting locations also. Thanks to her tutorials, a lot of people have improved their pictures. How many would use shadows without her?

  The question Berry has asked goes the same way: sharing, learning, improving. I hardly see what is stupid about this.

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• Hi Strawberry!

  Thank you again for this inspiring post. I’ve written up my performance, “VB26 – Average” which we’re going to hold on the An Li sim on Saturday 30 April. We’d love it if you’d join us!
  xoxo
  — Vaneeesa

  http://vaneeesa.com/2011/04/21/previz-average/

• I adore seeing this! And all the contributions thus far! I’ve submitted mine, and posted on community.secondlife.com @ http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Identity-and-Relationships/What-s-your-digits/td-p/829599

  Thank you Strawberry and everyone who’s been participating.

• I don’t even know what to say, thank you Torley! You just made my day. <3

• Awesome! Welcome to the party, Torley!

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• Some of my digits…
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/aranelah/5650864113/in/photostream

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• Great idea, had to jump on the band wagon 🙂 Here’s some digits…

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/slmadelyn/5652897486/in/photostream

• http://www.flickr.com/photos/teaganblackthorne/5652110928/

  For both Laynie and myself.

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• I posted my digits – finally! I rarely do challenges, etc., but this was fun. I can’t wait to go compare my avatar with others’. Not that I’ll change a thing about mine. I love my avatar! Here’s my blog page: http://acquisitive.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/desirees-digits/

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• I love how the “Ideal Female Figure” is… wearing heels! roflz

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• I’m way late to the party, but I posted mine to the group!

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• I‘ve tried to let make my avatar as much like RL me as possible.
  I also believe in realistic scale and have build my sim that way.

  My digits;
  Height – 28 (about 6ft)
  Head size – 79
  Arm length – 70
  Hand size – 50
  Torso length – 55
  Leg length – 61
  Foot size – 0

  If I could I’d put all my RL measurements into the appearance editor.

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• http://softpawthefairycat.blogspot.com/2011/09/mesh-fae-kitty-and-her-digits.html

  I got posty one night and it fit in with talking about Mesh..so..I am so very late to this party but still here!

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• I’m late but I’m all in! The comparision was a bit shocking to me. Maybe my head is disproportionately small.

  http://yordiesands.blogspot.com/2012/01/showing-off-my-digits.html

  Great post, Berry… hugs

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• Thanks for the update, Berry. FWIW, I have finally put my average shapes on the marketplace. They’re still free and full perm.

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• There are basically five types of body shapes or figures each with its perfect bikini wear. These are the apple, hourglass, pear, rectangular and round shapes. The apple shape is characterized by a fuller upper body and smaller lower body unlike the pear shape which is the exact opposite. Rectangular bodies have an athletic structure with a small chest and a typically skinny frame all round. The hour glass figure is assumed to be the easiest to dress a bikini since women with this shape have a perfectly defined waist. The round shape women have a lot of weight in the tummy and not a well defined waist. The amazing thing is that each of these women has a bikini type that will make them stand out.^

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