Raw shots from SL – I just cropped them together.
One thing I love about Second Life is that you can be whatever shape you want to be. But I do have my days where I look at my shape and think hmmmmmm… are my hands massive? Are my arms too short? Is my head gibungus? Should I make myself taller? I suck at making shapes myself cuz I don’t think I’m very good with proportions (Mr. Revolution made these beauties for me) so I thought I would give you guys my digits and see how I compare and what everyone thinks is the “norm” (if there is such a thing?) I’m not talking about skinny, fat, big-boobed, big-assed, or even height for that matter. I’m actually just talking about proportions and if mine actually work.
A few things I do like about my shape: I seem to fit well into many different poses, I never have to adjust any Truth hair for my head and all prim nails usually fit me perfectly. So I’m not sure if I actually want to change my shape at all, I’m pretty happy with it. I just want to compare numbers and see what the average is and what people normally lean towards. So if you are willing to share your digits, please do. Leave them in the comments or do your own post about it. I would love to see all the varying avs.
I’m doing it for both of my avs because I always feel like my male av’s hands are really big and I actually recently made them a lot smaller but you guys tell me what you think. I’m just going to share a few of the digits, not everything! :P Here goes…
ManBerry’s digits:
Height – 82 (6’4″ using the Avatar Height Measure)
Head size – 70
Arm length – 54
Hand size – 30
Torso length – 60
Leg length – 54
Foot size – 0
Berry’s digits:
Height – 66 (5’10″ using the Avatar Height Measure)
Head size – 58
Arm length – 75
Hand size – 20
Torso length – 55
Leg length – 56
Foot size – 0
EDIT: A few people also added their T&A digits so I thought I would share those as well.
T&A digits for Berry:
Body fat – 5
Breast size – 54
Hip width – 58
Butt size – 44
(If you share your digits on flickr, feel free to add it to the digits flickr group.)
I know it’s kinda silly of me to stress about my proportions in a virtual world, but it’s also kinda fun to see all the variations we can play with. BTW, if you’re wondering what started all this, I was just looking at the image I did for yesterday’s blog post and felt that my hands just looked MASSIVE in it. So I plurked about it here and the plurkers gave me some great insight into proportions. Thanks guys!
Mr. Hart Larsson shared a few things in my plurk so I really wanted to add them here cuz I thought they were very neat to look at.
Ideal proportion – Male
Ideal proportion – Female
Tutorial – Anatomy & Proportions
EDIT: Vaki Zenovka took all the numbers people shared and found the average and is now giving away the average sized shapes for free FULL PERM. Read her post about it here.
Credits:
ManBerry:
*Skin: Belleza
*Boxers: Zaara
*Pose: Diesel Works
Berry:
*Skin: Dutch Touch
*Hair: Truth
*Lingerie: Zaara
*Pose: Status
*Promotional copies
WindLight Setting: StrawberrySingh.com – Original
Strawberry Singh has been a resident of the virtual world Second Life™ since May 2007. She is a blogger, photographer and a social media enthusiast.
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I so adore how positive and unique this sharing of digits has become. What a positive experience :) Usually I am way too shy to put myself out there like this, but this little challenge (lol not really little anymore is it?!?) totally was worth taking that step. Many thanks for making it such a positive experience for so many!!
ps … I totally swooned when you left a comment on my blog … thank you for making my day :)
Here are my Digits! What a neat idea :D!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ricebubble/5634163197/in/photostream
Hi Strawberry!
As the zillion comments already attest, what a wonderful blog post!
I think all the peeps who call for Proportions over raw slider numbers are right on… except that SL avatar shapes aren’t “real”!… and I’m not even talking about the Pamela Anderson breasts or the Arnold Schwarzenegger biceps or even the Size 0 “footbinding”, but we’re almost all way taller than fleshvatars in the physical world. So, given that we’re so used to seeing tall, very tall, or extremely tall avatars, it’s hard to say how to use “normal” proportionality… but I still think it’s the right approach.
For those who encourage against sharing either on the grounds of individuality or copyright, I’d remind them that there are 100e78 possible female shapes in SL, or writing that out longhand, 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 possible female shapes.
It is literally the case, that if you started making female SL shapes at the moment of the big bang, and made a new shape every second, then the universe isn’t nearly old enough yet to have made all the possible female SL shapes.
True there are only 100e76 possible male shapes in SL, but that’s still quite a few. And yes a lot of the more extreme slider values probably aren’t used that often (except by Four Yip of course! :) but I do think there are plenty of shapes to go around.
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I actually found Vaki’s “average avatar” post first, and it led me to your original post and to the flickr group:
http://insertfunnyname.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/so-whats-average/
As I commented on her post, I’ve dabbled in this area a bit also with an “Open Source Avatars” project:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/os-avatars/files/
http://vaneeesa.com/2010/07/30/open-source-vaneeesa/#comments
Thank YOU, and VAKI so much for these inspiring ideas! I’m thinking of doing a performance in May featuring “Average Female” and “Average Male” avatar shapes. I think it’d be really interesting to take Vaki’s 12 of 78 female numbers and her 13 of 76 male numbers and let peeps apply those to their own shapes – so, for example, you and I would have the same Height, Torso Length, Arm Length… but you would have “your face” and I would have “my face”…
I’ve done a number of performances where we “present the human/avatar directly to the viewer as an act of unmediated sculpture (it is common for a sculptor or painter to insert themselves as a “seeing eye” and “talented hand” in-between the human body and the viewing public, but I’ve tried not to present “painting” or “sculpture” but to present the body/avatar directly as a work of art/sculpture
http://vaneeesa.com/portfolio/
Thank you so much Strawberry! I’m actually “returning” to SL on Saturday, and you and Vaki have really inspired / catapulted me into starting on new work!
xoxo
– Vaneeesa Blaylock
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I understand many love this. Specially shape sellers in sl.
I think the whole idea with sharing this is stupid.
It always does the heart good to see an idea derided behind the veil of anonymity. Yes, some shape makers may object to this type of disclosure, but some of the base numbers that have been shared are not a fool proof blueprint to copying the shape. Honestly, if someone wanted to duplicate a shape outside of a copybot, it is possible, but it takes a lot of work.
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Aren’t we all anonymous on the internet…
OpenMetaverse/ Copybot or not it’s very easy to recompile SL viewer sourcecode with your own custom code that can take almost anything, but that is of course a violation of TOS. Nothing is foolproof in SL, but some put a lot of work into a shape to get the right look. Anyway that’s my opinion.
Before you go on thinking all this was stupid, that it is ripping shape designer’s work etc, please consider who you are talking to.
Strawberry Singh is a blogger and a very talented photographer in SL. It is her job. Many would just keep their techniques for themselves and certainly wouldn’t share anything with the masses in case one might bring some concurrency. On the contrary, she is spoiling all of us with quality tutorials about blogs, photography, shadows, etc. She is sharing her shooting locations also. Thanks to her tutorials, a lot of people have improved their pictures. How many would use shadows without her?
The question Berry has asked goes the same way: sharing, learning, improving. I hardly see what is stupid about this.
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Hi Strawberry!
Thank you again for this inspiring post. I’ve written up my performance, “VB26 – Average” which we’re going to hold on the An Li sim on Saturday 30 April. We’d love it if you’d join us!
xoxo
– Vaneeesa
http://vaneeesa.com/2011/04/21/previz-average/
I adore seeing this! And all the contributions thus far! I’ve submitted mine, and posted on community.secondlife.com @ http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Identity-and-Relationships/What-s-your-digits/td-p/829599
Thank you Strawberry and everyone who’s been participating.
I don’t even know what to say, thank you Torley! You just made my day. <3
Awesome! Welcome to the party, Torley!
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Some of my digits…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aranelah/5650864113/in/photostream
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Great idea, had to jump on the band wagon :-) Here’s some digits…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/slmadelyn/5652897486/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/teaganblackthorne/5652110928/
For both Laynie and myself.
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I posted my digits – finally! I rarely do challenges, etc., but this was fun. I can’t wait to go compare my avatar with others’. Not that I’ll change a thing about mine. I love my avatar! Here’s my blog page: http://acquisitive.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/desirees-digits/
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I‘ve tried to let make my avatar as much like RL me as possible.
I also believe in realistic scale and have build my sim that way.
My digits;
Height – 28 (about 6ft)
Head size – 79
Arm length – 70
Hand size – 50
Torso length – 55
Leg length – 61
Foot size – 0
If I could I’d put all my RL measurements into the appearance editor.
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I got posty one night and it fit in with talking about Mesh..so..I am so very late to this party but still here!
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I’m late but I’m all in! The comparision was a bit shocking to me. Maybe my head is disproportionately small.
http://yordiesands.blogspot.com/2012/01/showing-off-my-digits.html
Great post, Berry… hugs
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