More information about Shadows & Phoenix, Imprudence and Emergence Viewers

Shadows with Phoenix, Imprudence and Emergence Viewers

Since I did the tutorials on running shadows with viewer 2.1 and also Kirstens Viewer I have gotten a multitude of requests for more tutorials about running shadows in a few other viewers along with many other questions pertaining to shadows. So this morning I asked some of my plurky friends what they are running and if they can get shadows. The answers in this plurk might be able to help you out with some of the questions you may have.

Here’s a short summary of the information I have gathered after speaking to many people inworld and on plurk.

  1. Running shadows using a Mac Computer is difficult and almost next to impossible. If you have a Mac and are able to run shadows, please leave a comment here and let us know how. Thank you!
  2. If you have an ATI card, make sure to enable “hardware skinning” and that might help with running shadows. Some of the older ATI cards might be better at running shadows then the newer ones. If you have an ATI card and are able to run shadows easily, please leave a comment here and share some tricks and tips if you can. Thank you!
  3. The majority of people have told me that Kirstens Viewer is possibly the best viewer to use to run shadows. For more information check out my Kirstens Viewer shadow tutorial.
  4. The new Second Life Beta 2.2 viewer has corrected a lot of the glitches that were a problem in the old 2.1 viewer (such as the need to use prim eyes). To download the new Beta 2.2 viewer, check out the Second Life downloads page. View my tutorial on how to turn on shadows in viewer 2.1.
  5. With viewers that are not running the 2.0 platform (such as Phoenix, Imprudence & Emergence), you may be able to turn on shadows, but it is very difficult to take snapshots in these viewers. Please see how to enable shadows in these viewers below.

Here are the steps to turn the shadows on in Phoenix, Imprudence and Emergence Viewers. (Please also check the comments below for more helpful hints about turning shadows on in Phoenix and Imprudence, from esteemed members of the SL community)

  1. Press ctrl+alt+d simultaneously to enable the Advanced menu
  2. In the Advanced menu, select “debug settings”
  3. Search for “RenderDeffered” and make sure it is set to false
  4. Then search for “RenderUseFBO” and set that to true
  5. Finally go back to “RenderDeffered” and now set that to true
  6. As soon as you do that you will see that shadows will be enabled. I used my windlight setting for sl shadows for that snapshot above. If I remove all of my clothing, then my shadow shows up perfectly behind me. However since I have my clothing on, my shadow has disappeared from the areas where I am covered with clothes. I am not able to take a snapshot because it does not recognize the shadows. I had to use the snipping tool in Windows 7 (screenshot) to be able to shoot that image with shadows.

    If anyone has any advice to those that would like to use shadows with these viewers, please share it here.

    EDIT: For Phoenix users, Mr. Don Hosho has done a very informative post on his blog sharing interesting debug settings within Phoenix that you might find useful.

    I’m sorry to all those that feel discouraged about not being able to enable shadows. Just remember, shadows might add more depth to your image but there are many other ways to make your photos beautiful. If you read my tutorial on how to take a high-res snapshot you will find more information about graphics settings, windlight presets and also setting the scene.

    And once again, feel free to contact me inworld. I am always happy to help to the best of my ability! <3

    » You can view all of my current tutorials on my tutorials page.

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    For those wondering what kind of computer I am running, you can view all of my system specifications in detail on my system specs page.

38 thoughts on “More information about Shadows & Phoenix, Imprudence and Emergence Viewers

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  2. You can enable shadows in Phoenix by using the “Ultra” graphics setting (Edit -> Preferences -> Graphics -> slider to Ultra) then check the “Enable Shadows” at Edit -> Preferences -> Phoenix -> Page 2 -> Advanced Graphics. Click “Apply” then experiment with different Windlight settings and times of day.

  3. I like the idea of your tutorial.. Let me share by adding the phoenix one way:

    1.advanced > debug settings.
    2.PhoenixShadowsToggle: Enable shadow rendering > True.
    3.Set your graphics to Ultra. apply > ok

  4. Thank you Missy & Mr. Hosho! I didn’t notice that. I will go back into Phoenix and see if I am able to take snapshots after doing that then.

  5. You welcome, still to snap shot it the normal way is not possible.. I have made a small a trick here: to use the machinima way.

    1.Hide your huds by:
    disable: view> Show HUD attachments.
    or: Alt-Shift-H

    2.Hide your UI:
    enable advanced menu: ctl-alt-shift-D
    ctrl-alt-f1

    3.Screenshoot it. click print screen.

    4.open ps > ctrl-N> click ok> ctl-v – and crop it the way you wish.

    a second hand way, but it is good when i am lazy to relog from kirstens.

  6. That is awesome Mr. Hosho! Thank you so much for that, much appreciated! <3

  7. You are most welcome, lady Singh.

  8. Oh, Bless You for this! Can’t wait to try it

    “Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?…

    The Shadow knows!”

  9. Running shadows using a Mac Computer is difficult and almost next to impossible. <— I truly would love to know why this is not possible to create a program code for the second life viewer for mac users… Probably they hate apple systems … -__- who knows! GRRRR

  10. Your tutorials are wonderful, detailed and so helpful. Thank you so much for your efforts <3 I personally have very big difficulties to snap pictures with shadows enabled, though I can run each viewer on my machine with them. Perhaps together the community will find a way to make this cool effect easier and better to use – thank you for that, Berry :-))

  11. > Running shadows using a Mac Computer is difficult and almost next to impossible.

    …I always figured the problem was that I was trying to get shadows on a Mac Mini. I guess it wouldn’t matter if I had a more powerful Mac :(

    I’m not going to buy a PC just so I can run shadows. Especially since I’d likely have to have a higher-end PC in order to get them. SL is no speed demon on the one Windows PC I do have (a dual-core Sony laptop).

  12. Hi — Your link to “turning the shadows on in Imprudence” (above) doesn’t go to any info on that :D. Even doing a FIND for “sha” gets a nasty pink not here clunk – LOL. I may have missed it. Who knows?

    So for people that need to know, it is under Edit> Preferences>Advanced>Main —Enable shadow checkbox.

    The note beside the box says that you have to run in Ultra and that it is unstable. I am using the 1.4 experimental but if I remember correctly it is in the same place in 1.3. My graphics card won’t do shadows so not an option for me.

    Sure this will all be helpful to lots of folks. Thanks.

  13. Tried setting up shadows in Phoenix both with the preference setting (which crashes Phoenix without fail) and with the debug settings (which do nothing). Alas, no shadows for me with Phoenix.

    Computer specs:

    CPU: Intel Core Series Processor (1850 MHz)
    Memory: 8117 MB
    OS Version: Professional (Build 7600)
    Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Graphics Card: GeForce GTX 460M/PCI/SSE2
    Windows Graphics Driver Version: 8.17.0012.5912
    OpenGL Version: 4.0.0

    libcurl Version: libcurl/7.20.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8j zlib/1.2.3
    J2C Decoder Version: OpenJPEG: 1.4.0.635, Runtime: 1.4.0.635
    Audio Driver Version: FMOD version 3.750000
    Qt Webkit Version: 4.5.2
    Packets Lost: 10/3527 (0.3%)

  14. In Phoenix getting shadows is easy but snapping shots is hard. In snapshot, shadows dissappear or the background turns completely black. So can see shadows in world but no snapshoting them.. =/ If there is a cure for this, I want to learn..

  15. I do not know what I am doing wrong..
    I have emergence..
    And, I follow you directions, 100 %, I have even tried Don’s idea about the toggle shadows, since the option was avail.. however, all my photos, still turn out black, or with a blacked out background and no shadows at all.
    I have used Kirstens viewer before without issue (other then crashing) and the shadows show without issue.. the only reason I am not using it now, is I do not like the new UI.
    Is there a reason this would happen?

    Example: http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/7989/snapshot169.png

    that whole black area is actually a field of green grass….

  16. @Horatia: It doesn’t matter if you have a more powerfull mac – i am a imac user – one of the newest who came lately out – and it doesn’t work ;).

    Lately I got the image in my mind, you can just turn on the shadows if you use a windows computer – or maybe, – just as an idea – to install windows as 2nd system on it. But personally that’s not an true option for me.

  17. now i use only kirsten but when i used emerald and when my body disappeared with shadows, i have done only : ctrl +alt + R to refresh my texture and hop the body reappeared.

  18. Imprudence has also an option in their preferences -> Extra -> enable shadow

    Though there seems to be a problem since i can see shadows on imprudence but when i make a snapshot they are not visible on it. I think it’s known to the devs so hopefully that will change :)

  19. booooooooo phoenix ;( I have shadows, but as Berry said, only when I’m nekkid.

  20. I finally was able to get shadows working on my 2 year old Macbook pro. Phoenix resulted in shadows, but no alpha textures would render. Kirsten’s Viewer always resulted in a crash. The SL 2.5 Beta works like a champ though…

    http://caelanhancroft.wordpress.com/2011/02/07/just-me-and-my-shadow/

  21. Hello Berry!
    For the record I am still not able to enable shadows with my new Mac :O
    Using Phoenix and followed this tutorial and the trick used by Caelan (checked the hardware skinning box) no shadows for me though x.x

    MacBook Pro
    15-inch: 2.66GHz
    Intel Core i7
    4GB Memory
    500GB hard drive1
    Intel HD Graphics
    NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M with 512MB

    Going to buy a PC. Sigh.

  22. Betty Tracer says:

    Well,
    I´m on a new Mac with an ATI card and i HAD shadows yesterday. But the only possibility seems bootcamp and it gets unsharp when i zoom in…

    I so hope that the lindens solve this MAC/ATI shadows problem soom.

  23. I have a new Mac book pro 13 inch with a Nvidia GEforce 320 M and can get really decent shadows with Kirsten’s. Have not tried the other viewers, but am SO pleased with the way Kirsten’s look that I think I will put up with the sluggishness for photo shoots. I am new to all this…so was really happy to find out that my new Macbook pro could handle it!

  24. My daughter willnot like to see this here.

  25. Recidivist Sideways says:

    @Penis Enlargement:

    As long as she has a robust penis enlarger to fall back on, I’m sure she’ll work through it.

    Somehow.

  26. For mac users with Imprudence.

    I can get shadows to work with my macbook and running Imprudence.

    HOWEVER. There is a glitch.

    You must have ULTRA graphics enabled.
    You must have HARDWARE SKINNING enabled.

    Shadows come up.

    BUT, all invisible prims turn black. T__T

    So, it’s a win lose situation. I suppose you can shoot without invisible prims, but that’s nearly impossible.

    I guess either I’ll wait for an update, or just deal without fancy shadows. ^_^

  27. Shadows on a mac – there is a bit of confusion here. When LL first made the shadow code it just didn’t work on macs at all. Now it can work an can work pretty well. I have a MacBook pro with NVIDIA 9600M and the shadows are lovely on the most recent viewers even if the framerate is <5fps. Depth of field is great too.

    I get about the same performance on a mac pro with NVIDIA GTX120GT.

    I had high hopes for the new MacBook pro range with 1gb of graphics memory… But every time I have tried to turn on shadows on the demo machines in the apple store, I get a hard crash. Btw these new ones have AMD radeon graphics and historically these have always played badly with SL. If you have a mac pro, then I believe the best solution is an NVIDIA gtx

  28. Shadows on a mac – there is a bit of confusion here. When LL first made the shadow code it just didn’t work on macs at all. Now it can work an can work pretty well. I have a MacBook pro with NVIDIA 9600M and the shadows are lovely on the most recent viewers even if the framerate is <5fps. Depth of field is great too.

    I get about the same performance on a mac pro with NVIDIA GTX120GT.

    I had high hopes for the new MacBook pro range with 1gb of graphics memory… But every time I have tried to turn on shadows on the demo machines in the apple store, I get a hard crash. Btw these new ones have AMD radeon graphics and historically these have always played badly with SL. If you have a mac pro, then I believe the best solution is an NVIDIA gtx285, but these have afaik been discontinued ao you might have to pick one up second hand.

    It's the graphics card, not so much the mac vs pc thing going on here, I think.

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  32. You saved my life… :) Really… I just wanted to thank you…. and btw… I couldn’t run shadows on Kirstens… something was messed up, so tried out PhoenixFirestorm preview and it’s really really amazing one :) And your instruction about Phoenix did really help me. And no, have no problem with snapping pic with it XD

  33. Hi Berry! I am currently using the SL beta viewer on my MAC – http://secondlife.com/support/downloads/?lang=en-US.

    I have a MacBookPro with a 2.8 GHz processor and 8GB and a NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT

    I am getting shadows – it is slow going but I get them. I recommend if you have an NVIDIA card to try the new SL beta viewer!

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  35. Angelieu Millar says:

    Hello. I’ve tried to do this by either going through edit preferences, or by other steps. My viewer keeps crashing. Not sure as to why…

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  38. I could come to know more about shadowing… I am a phoenix viewer. I am having trouble in shadowing..Ca n you please help me out…

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